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Post by motherprussia on Oct 28, 2003 18:34:39 GMT -5
so, i've heard hardly any hype for this movie, but i can't fucking wait for this movie to come out...i saw like one scene from it and i'm about ready to piss myself...anyone else looking forward to this movie? cuz i haven't hardly heard anyone talk about it (but then again, maybe i'm retracting from society)...
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Post by CoKeS on Oct 28, 2003 19:07:34 GMT -5
of course i am, the matrix kicks my ass
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Post by soniktruth on Oct 28, 2003 20:56:51 GMT -5
i'm really excited...i fucking loved the 1st matrix...the concept is so original and well thought out....2 is pretty cool too, the f/x are awesome....but i almost shit in my pants when i saw the [shadow=red,left,300] to be concluded [/shadow] on the screen...#nosmileys
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Post by CoKeS on Oct 28, 2003 22:40:04 GMT -5
my friend showed me a trailor from the Matrix Revolutions, and if i remember correctly, the guy who made it out of Zion alive and was opposite Neo on the tables, is Agent Smith.
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Post by MercurySolo on Oct 29, 2003 1:14:11 GMT -5
Can't wait for Revolutions. I never noticed that the other guy at the end of Reloaded was Agent Smith... another thing to make my head hurt while trying to fall asleep, heh
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Post by splitend on Oct 31, 2003 5:49:15 GMT -5
I saw the Matrix Revolutions trailer back to back with the Return of the King trailer. Great stuff.
I didn't think it was Agent Smith on the table across from Neo. I'll have to rent Reloaded again before I see the new one.
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Post by motherprussia on Oct 31, 2003 9:34:46 GMT -5
I saw the Matrix Revolutions trailer back to back with the Return of the King trailer. Great stuff. I didn't think it was Agent Smith on the table across from Neo. I'll have to rent Reloaded again before I see the new one. this is a good idea...
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Post by CoKeS on Oct 31, 2003 12:28:10 GMT -5
i think what im trying to say is that Smith is what Bayne (the guy on the table) becomes when he goes into the matrix... again, im not sure if im correct
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Post by soniktruth on Oct 31, 2003 12:38:13 GMT -5
you're never sure!!
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Post by CoKeS on Oct 31, 2003 18:21:09 GMT -5
im shot
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Post by motherprussia on Nov 3, 2003 3:56:47 GMT -5
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Post by MercurySolo on Nov 7, 2003 17:32:39 GMT -5
um... so... who's seen it already? I'm going to see it tomorrow. Hopefully Revolutions will not equal 15-minute-long Trinity-Neo sex scene to the background of irrelavant wild tribal orgy like Reloaded did. Trinity and Neo looked like a couple of Guess models fighting over a celery stick.
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Post by CoKeS on Nov 7, 2003 23:50:21 GMT -5
i saw it tonite and its not that good at all...
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Post by soniktruth on Nov 8, 2003 0:36:20 GMT -5
explain.....then again...you don't like anything
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Post by motherprussia on Nov 8, 2003 5:24:32 GMT -5
don't read this if you don't want to know about the movie before you see it (read at your own risk)...
...i saw it tonight...i actually think it's a pretty good movie, but i think a few things are turning people off: 1.) too much of the love element; but love turns out to be a very important theme in the trilogy 2.) of course, there's a lot of philosophical ideas braught forward--also included are several religious parallel's (a couple that i found almost too obvious) 3.) you could still walk away from the movie going "what the hell just happened?"...while several questions were answered, not all of them were answered clearly 4.) and last, they seemed to have left the movie open to be continued, but i seriously doubt there will ever be a movie...there's just a slightly ambiguous ending which isn't all that unpopular in movies and such...
..basically, i enjoyed it...i could've done without the mass amounts of love, but oh well, it was still a good move, though hradly able to top the first one...i mean, the first one was so good, how would you expect it to be topped?
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Post by CoKeS on Nov 8, 2003 15:42:13 GMT -5
this movie wasnt terrible, but it definately was not as good as the first and second one, there was just some things i didnt understand that werent explained in the movie. for example, why was the Oracle a different women, and how could Neo see after Smith burned his eyes? and what happened to Neo, did he live or die?
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Post by splitend on Nov 9, 2003 1:54:28 GMT -5
I'm gonna talk about the end. So you might not want to read it yet.
I was really disappointed with this movie. I just expected more out of it. The fight between Neo and Smith was really cool though. But the end was just saturated in Biblical allusions. Like when Neo enters the Matrix in the machine city, he's got his arms spread out like he's being crucified. And the big sentinel face says "It is done," and the last words Jesus said were "It is finished." And every one was like Neo saved us all! and..yeah. The love theme was getting pretty hokey there too. I just felt that the whole trilogy ended up in a really different place than it was originally headed.
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Post by motherprussia on Nov 9, 2003 3:33:34 GMT -5
yeah, i agree a lot with what you said, but i can't say it disappointed me...i guess you could say the movie didn't really surprise me, though...but it's like they tried to drive home the love theme and all the biblical references...almost like they made them too obvious...
...and the oracle was the same oracle, just a different woman...i believe she was reprogrammed or something like that...and neo could still see because he was given a sense (much like snakes sense heat) that allowed him to see figures in an odd way; he was able to see/sense these things because he was "the one"...
...and neo did die at the end...to save zion and humans...can you say jesus? because when he was all lit up towards the end, he looks like an angel, with wings and all...
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Post by CoKeS on Nov 9, 2003 11:27:19 GMT -5
another thing that i didnt like, was that most of the movie took place outside of the matrix, and thats one of the main reasons people go to see these movies cuz thet like the effects that happen when people fight in the matrix. and how did the machines talk? i didnt get it at all... this movie sucked
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Post by motherprussia on Nov 9, 2003 20:18:38 GMT -5
are you forgetting the long fight scenes in the movie? you can't fight all the time in a movie...
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Post by splitend on Nov 9, 2003 23:26:44 GMT -5
I also preferred the previous movies because most of the action was inside the matrix. This one just wasn't as cool.
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Post by motherprussia on Nov 10, 2003 0:18:40 GMT -5
i see what you mean...it was all "not so slick"...but it was bound to be like that...
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Post by MercurySolo on Nov 19, 2003 14:46:26 GMT -5
I really liked the movie. I thought the ending was perfect, everything happened as it was meant to, down to SPOILER WARNING Neo balancing out the equation when Smith absorbed him after previously absorbing the Oracle. Smith was the Oracle's bitch and didn't even know it. Trinity's death scene was like a Monty Python skit, though. "Oh, woe is me, I have died... ohhhh... I am dying... the pain.... the agony.... I shall perish soon... what's that, 'lizabeth? I'm coming to join ya, honey..." Gimme a break. Plus, she had to die, she was living on borrowed time.
I don't get how people think that the ending leaves the viewer hanging. All the loose ends are tied up. What did people want, Neo to travel back in time to kill the mother of the person who created the machines? Most of the questions are answered by the end of the movie, you just have to think about it. Personally, if the movie ended any happier or sadder, I would've been disappointed. The neutrality is perfect, because Neo and Smith were meant to balance the Oracle's equation to win the omnipotent chess game she was playing with the Architect.
At the end of the movie, people could choose whether they leave the matrix or not. This is great, because it goes back to the question "Is it better to live in revolt of the absurdity of the Real World, deny the absurdity and live inside the matrix without a clue about the Real World or end the experience of absurdity by suicide" that was brought up in the first movie. Neo's sacrifice is a victory because people can choose to live in the Real World or in the somatic utopia of the Matrix. After all, the machines were never really the main enemy, the enemy was the lack of choice Humanity had in their lives, and this was righted by Neo's martyrdom.
Blech, I've been reading too much Existentialism.
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Post by motherprussia on Nov 19, 2003 14:50:11 GMT -5
nice job merc
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Post by CoKeS on Nov 19, 2003 14:55:56 GMT -5
this movie sucked
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Post by headINcortex on Nov 19, 2003 21:57:37 GMT -5
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Post by piesore on Nov 20, 2003 10:19:21 GMT -5
I never like either of the matrix movies, I thought they were not even overrated, but just plain shitty. Regurgitated and dumbed down philisophical lessons, cheesy as fuck acting and dialogue, and mediocre sets and designs. Everyone was like, "oooo!!! bullet time", and I really didn't see anything special about it. The choreography wasn't that good, you can watch just about any hong kong action flick with 1,000 times more and better choreographed fight scenes, and don't have to sit through any of the wannabe enlightening dialogue. So, anyways, my expectations were extremely low for this film, especially in lieu of all the shit talking that was going on about it. But I'll have to say I almost really liked it. The acting and dialogue were as bad as ever, but the final battle sequences were pretty spectacular. There was still some iffy CGI, I still thought the light Neo could see was pretty bad looking, but the sentinals storming the docks was pretty overwhelming to watch. Something I don't understand (aside from the ending), is if EMP can rape the sentinals so badly, why don't they just stock up on those and keep setting them off instead of using the mech dudes? Nevertheless, on a pure special effects level, it really did the trick for me. I can understand why people would be upset that not much of the film took inside the matrix if that's what was attracted you to the film. But to me, the matrix was something which worked much better in theory than on actual film. It had to potential for all these super-badass human feats to take place, and amazingly tight choreography, and I never really thought it worked that well, the "real life" sequences were more impressive to watch for me than anything I saw within the matrix. The ending was pretty confusing. I have nothing against open endings, but I was hoping it would be a whole bunch darker, even though I knew it wouldn't be from reading some reviews. If the whole movie had a more dark and desperate tone, it would have been better. But all in all, I was suprisingly not dissapointed, and I'm really suprised that so many people hate this movie. I think it was better than the other two, and thought people would at least enjoy it more than the second one.
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Post by piesore on Nov 20, 2003 10:21:16 GMT -5
Oops, I forgot to mention why the oracle is different. They try to make up some reasons why she's a different actress in the film, and really don't do a very good job. But what it comes down to is the actress who played the original oracle died before filming was completed. That's the only real reason why it's a different person.
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Post by CoKeS on Nov 20, 2003 14:52:57 GMT -5
Oops, I forgot to mention why the oracle is different. They try to make up some reasons why she's a different actress in the film, and really don't do a very good job. But what it comes down to is the actress who played the original oracle died before filming was completed. That's the only real reason why it's a different person. thats sad
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Post by splitend on Nov 20, 2003 16:56:57 GMT -5
I figured it was a reason like that. That's too bad though.
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