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Post by CoKeS on Jan 25, 2005 23:10:24 GMT -5
well I was listening to "Pattern Against User" and it inspired me to make this thread, so here's my list...
ATD-I - pattern against user ATD-I - napoleon solo ATD-I - cosmonaut john frusciante - water interpol - the new deftones - korea pinback - AFK incubus - pardon me modest mouse - lives
lots of others
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Post by tremulant on Jan 25, 2005 23:42:27 GMT -5
I know I have a few for this thread. But before I post, I need to fully understand what a "bridge" is... Is it the instrumental breakdown in the middle of the song?
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Post by soniktruth on Jan 26, 2005 0:45:33 GMT -5
I know I have a few for this thread. But before I post, I need to fully understand what a "bridge" is... Is it the instrumental breakdown in the middle of the song? same here brother, as embarrasing to say since i am a musician, i've always wondered what a bridge was....give us examples!
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Post by rivalhools on Jan 26, 2005 1:09:05 GMT -5
I know I have a few for this thread. But before I post, I need to fully understand what a "bridge" is... Is it the instrumental breakdown in the middle of the song? yepp.
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Post by Rubberneck on Jan 26, 2005 2:02:24 GMT -5
this is no official definition, just my understanding of the word, but in my opinion, the term "bridge" applies differently to pop music (and i mean pop music as including most modern music i.e. not chamber music, polka, gregorian chant, etc). most songs of the bands listed on this website are very structurally similar. each song usually is composed of a few segments; the verse, the prechorus, the chorus, perhaps an intro/outro, and the afformentioned bridge. the bridge of a song typically breaks the tension/release pattern or tempo of a song and/or changes key signature to give a different feel to this normally short segment of the piece.
i assume we are all familiar with the "relationship of command" album, so here are a few examples of what i consider to be bridges.
1) Pattern Against User - perfect example...around 1:50...the entire band drops out except the bass and when the band comes back in, the song has a completely different feel. this is the "if this clock keeps beating down..." segment. it slows down the feel of the song and gives release before the verse comes back in with the upbeat tempo to build to the chorus.
2) One Armed Scissor - exact same thing happens in this song around the 2:25 mark. the rhythm of the "i'm a million miles away, would you get this letter" section is completely different from the other portions of the song. listen to how the drumbeat especially sets this part of the song off from the chorus and verse.
3) Mannequin Republic - around 1:47 the overlapping vocal tracks "lay the concentrated in this sheepless chapel" builds anticipation for the incoming tempo shift.
yeah...so this is my first post in a while and it is far too long. i hope i helped you guys out, but this is only my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by Rubberneck on Jan 26, 2005 2:07:14 GMT -5
oh yeah...and to answer the question of the original post...
The Toadies - "Tyler" has the greatest bridge ever
period
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Post by tremulant on Jan 26, 2005 17:18:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I think I've always referred to that type of musical moment as a breakdown, cuz it just seemed to fit. Checkout Honest to a fault, that song has such a good """bridge""".
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Post by CoKeS on Jan 26, 2005 17:35:08 GMT -5
basically the bridge is the part of the song that's only heard once, so in pattern against user, it would be "if these clocks keep beating down..."
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Post by tremulant on Jan 26, 2005 23:56:40 GMT -5
yeah, I read ya
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Post by motherprussia on Jan 27, 2005 14:16:26 GMT -5
verse chorus verse chorus bridge (verse) chorus
there's a common pattern...it bridge's the beginning of the song to the end while providing a deviation, a change in the song so it doesn't sound so repetitive...
but my band tends to do this:
verse chorus verse chorus bridge second bridge third bridge
well, sometimes, but i mean sometimes you just want to hear the chorus again...
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Post by soniktruth on Jan 27, 2005 21:15:22 GMT -5
t i assume we are all familiar with the "relationship of command" album, so here are a few examples of what i consider to be bridges. 1) Pattern Against User - perfect example...around 1:50...the entire band drops out except the bass and when the band comes back in, the song has a completely different feel. this is the "if this clock keeps beating down..." segment. it slows down the feel of the song and gives release before the verse comes back in with the upbeat tempo to build to the chorus. 2) One Armed Scissor - exact same thing happens in this song around the 2:25 mark. the rhythm of the "i'm a million miles away, would you get this letter" section is completely different from the other portions of the song. listen to how the drumbeat especially sets this part of the song off from the chorus and verse. 3) Mannequin Republic - around 1:47 the overlapping vocal tracks "lay the concentrated in this sheepless chapel" builds anticipation for the incoming tempo shift. yeah...so this is my first post in a while and it is far too long. i hope i helped you guys out, but this is only my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt. you're the man rubberneck, i'm the fan...
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Post by Rubberneck on Jan 28, 2005 0:09:34 GMT -5
Relationship of Command seemed like the obvious choice for examples, but the more i think about it, atdi just has impressive bridges falling out of the bag. i guess that is one of the aspects that gives them such great dynamic...they will take chaos and turn it into melody just to draw you back into the movement without hesitation.
all this talk about the stereotypical progression of music makes me want to hear something else. can anyone think of examples of ingenuitive song structure? the only good examples i can think of are in the death metal genre, and i know this is not a metal crowd.
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Post by tremulant on Jan 28, 2005 1:01:55 GMT -5
not a big metal fan, but maiden and in flames are sweet!
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Post by CoKeS on Jan 28, 2005 2:13:15 GMT -5
Relationship of Command seemed like the obvious choice for examples, but the more i think about it, atdi just has impressive bridges falling out of the bag. i guess that is one of the aspects that gives them such great dynamic...they will take chaos and turn it into melody just to draw you back into the movement without hesitation. all this talk about the stereotypical progression of music makes me want to hear something else. can anyone think of examples of ingenuitive song structure? the only good examples i can think of are in the death metal genre, and i know this is not a metal crowd. ill say it again.... [shadow=red,left,300]ATAXIA[/shadow]
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Post by soniktruth on Jan 29, 2005 1:42:18 GMT -5
the only good examples i can think of are in the death metal genre, and i know this is not a metal crowd. uh hello, atheist, obituary, napalm death (w/ barney), bolt thrower, ...i used to dig death and grind
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Post by mook8515 on Jan 29, 2005 1:43:44 GMT -5
Wait, whats the difference between a verse and a chorus. Can someone give an example with a song, lets say One Armed Scissor.
Thanks.
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Post by Castro on Jan 29, 2005 8:13:40 GMT -5
a chorus is similar to a verse but in a chorus thats where the emphasis is placed. so often a chorus will have the same lyrics every time but most of the time verses will change their lyrics
i dont have a fav bridge cuz my fav stuff has no apparent structure like de facto, aphex twin, boards of canada, autechre and brian eno
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Post by Rubberneck on Jan 29, 2005 16:19:43 GMT -5
sorry para, i didn't mean to cut you out, but i didn't know you were into metal. everytime i ever mentioned metal or recommended that someone check out opeth, no one commented so i figured no one cared...i felt so lonely
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Post by DigitalDwarf on Jan 30, 2005 1:25:26 GMT -5
Enfilade, with the melodica part. It kicks ass
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Post by soniktruth on Jan 30, 2005 1:43:07 GMT -5
welcome back DD!!!!!!
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Post by tremulant on Jan 30, 2005 13:36:40 GMT -5
YES! I love the part in enfilade where it goes a little salsa.
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Post by soniktruth on Jan 30, 2005 15:06:21 GMT -5
paranoid android - radiohead
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Post by Castro on Jan 31, 2005 8:03:30 GMT -5
Enfilade, with the melodica part. It kicks ass tis awesome to be assured
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Post by motherprussia on Jan 31, 2005 18:59:45 GMT -5
Wait, whats the difference between a verse and a chorus. Can someone give an example with a song, lets say One Armed Scissor. Thanks. that song isn't a good example...cuz it doesn't really have a standard verse chorus verse chorus... it starts out with what you could call a verse "yes this is the campaign..." then it goes to the chorus, this is the only real easy thing to label in the song: "send transmission to the one armed scissor, cut away, cut away" then it goes into the second verse, but it's also like a breakdown or bridge number one (if you know about time signatures this verse is in 4/4 time while the first verse was in 3/4 time, it's really weird how the song basically starts out in 3/4 time and never goes back to it)...the second verse/first bridge begins, "banked on memory..." and then the chorus gets repeated and then comes the real bridge, especially noted by tony's drumming, very much a change from the hihat + snare drumming from the rest of the song, and the real bridge goes "dissect a trillion sighs away..." and then the chorus is repeated yet again... i hope that gave you a little bit of insight as to what a verse and chorus is, but at the drive-in never really followed these rules all that much, especially when compaired to other bands, and really it's one of the things i appreciate the most about them, just their ability to change the rules, yet make awesome music that seems like it'll be timeless...at least timeless for me...
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Post by Rubberneck on Jan 31, 2005 21:02:36 GMT -5
how sweet...
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Post by motherprussia on Feb 1, 2005 1:27:58 GMT -5
<wipes tears away>
ok, i'm done...
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Post by CoKeS on Feb 1, 2005 20:21:32 GMT -5
so... is anyone gonna name their favorite bridges now that we've all been educated on the matter?
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Post by tremulant on Feb 2, 2005 3:56:34 GMT -5
london bridge
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Post by Castro on Mar 18, 2005 13:45:14 GMT -5
i finally heard my favourite bridge. its that little pretty part of honest to a fault. i love that bit
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Post by nastia on Mar 19, 2005 4:45:01 GMT -5
in no particular order:
omar a. rodriguez-lopez - of blood blue blisters, the palpitations from a limit
atdi - communication drive-in, fahrenheit, enfilade, napoleon solo, CHANBARA, a devil among the tailors, one armed scissor, rolodex propaganda, catacombs, ursa minor, 300 mHz, metronome arthritis, extracurricular, incetardis
ratm - bombtrack, bullet in the head, bulls on parade, killing in the name, know your enemy, no shelter, people of the sun, sleep now in the fire, testify
the mars volta - concertina, eunuch provocateur, eriatarka, take the veil cerpin taxt, l'via, the widow, this apparatus must be unearthed, cicatriz esp,cassandra gemini [multiple spouse wounds]
sparta - cut your ribbon
garbage - cherry lips, shut your mouth
r.e.m. - imitation of life
de facto - el professor contra de facto, mitchel edwards
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