Anti-American???

[MercurySolo]

Sorry for the long rant. I've been reading a lot of news lately, and was sickened by how obvious this information was to those who want to find it, and how apathetic the American people are to the information, seeing as how husbands, wives, sons, daughters, fathers, mothers, aunts, uncles, cousins and friends of many Americans are making the ultimate sacrifice in Iraq, and it is very possible that the powers that be have used our military for purposes other than he told the public.

[soniktruth]

[shadow=red,left,300]history always finds a way to repeat itself [/shadow]

LET'S HOPE IT DOES IN 2004#nosmileys#nosmileys#nosmileys

[MercurySolo]

Question: Why do I feel like Charleton Heston staring at the half-buried Statue of Liberty at the end of Planet of the Apes when I go to this site?

www.governor.ca.gov/state/newgov/govsite/gov_homepage.jsp

[soniktruth]

"Yes, support your president and all his decisions!"

whose the only 10 % that voted for this?.....anyways, it's your right to think this way....isn't freedom neat?#nosmileys#nosmileys

[soniktruth]

Top Stories - Reuters

U.S. Mulling How to Delay Nov. Vote in Case of Attack




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior House Democratic lawmaker was skeptical on Sunday of a Bush administration idea to obtain the authority to delay the November presidential election in case of an attack by al Qaeda,


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U.S. counterterrorism officials are looking at an emergency proposal on the legal steps needed to postpone the presidential election in case of such an attack, Newsweek reported on Sunday.


"I think it's excessive based on what we know," said Rep. Jane Harman (news, bio, voting record) of California, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, in a interview on CNN's "Late Edition."


Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge warned last week that Osama bin Laden (news - web sites)'s al Qaeda network want to attack within the United States to try to disrupt the election.


Harman said Ridge's threat warning "was a bust" because it was based on old information.


Newsweek cited unnamed sources who told it that the Department of Homeland Security asked the Justice Department (news - web sites) last week to review what legal steps would be needed to delay the vote if an attack occurred on the day before or on election day.


The department was asked to review a letter from DeForest Soaries, chairman of the new U.S. Election Assistance Commission, in which he asked Ridge to ask Congress for the power to put off the election in the event of an attack, Newsweek reported in its issue out on Monday.


The commission was created in 2002 to provide funds to states to replace punch card voting systems and provide other assistance in conducting federal elections.


In his letter, Soaries wrote that while New York's Board of Elections suspended primary elections in New York on the day of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, "the federal government has no agency that has the statutory authority to cancel and reschedule a federal election."


Homeland Security Department spokesman Brian Rochrkasse told the magazine the agency is reviewing the matter "to determine what steps need to be taken to secure the election."


Republican Rep. Christopher Cox of California, who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, told CNN that the idea of legislation allowing the election to be postponed was similar to what had already been looked at in terms of how to respond to an attack on Congress.


"These are doomsday scenarios. Nobody expects that they're going to happen," he said. "But we're preparing for all these contingencies now."


more BUSH propaganda bullshit....damn, what has this country come to where this asshole can do whatever he wants.....this is the most soiled president i've ever seen

wasn't elected but appointed, vacation half the time, and now delaying the election...that's absurd

y'all better vote his ass out

[Kurtz]

Farenheit 9/11 anyone?...

[CoKeS]

Fahrenheit 9/11<Achorman

[motherprussia]

i wouldn't worry too much about that...i see things like that a whole lot...i like when my friends sent me a bunch of links worried about the draft coming back in 05 if bush gets re-elected...

i also don't think kerry is going to be that great of a president, and that worries me...i was also concerned about letting iraq have it's government back, cuz it seems like a plot by bush to make himself not look so bad...it's more of bush's friends that bother me, the big corporations...i'm just mumbling and not saying anything worth meaning...but i'm being sickened by this ashlee simpson thing on tv, i really need to turn the channel...

[Bradley]

Christ I cant believe ive missed all this debate. ok. well loads to say...

[Bradley]

powerranger86 said:

not enough time to disarm? i guess it takes over 10 years to do so...

Disarm? For God's sake, man! Disarm of what? Anyone who thought Iraq had the capability or nerve to actually attack a Western country or its allies was either lying or severely misguided.
No capability:
Fact is Iraq was and still is in a terrible state economically. You can not finance the buying of hi-tec or greatly destructive weapons with money you do not have. No matter how much you try.
No ball:
Hussain may have been a tyrant but even a child could figure out that if such a poorly equipped and manned country was to attack a more developed country or its allies (Turkey, Isreal, Saudi, Kuwait), Hussain would have been removed from power by brute force by the US/UN/NATO. Two times now we have seen an Iraqi army crumble. Basically, if you are a conscript with not much equipment totally outclassed by your opponents, you will quickly be defeated, especially on such tank and plane friendly surface as desert.
Hate to single you out but it pisses me off when people say Hussain had any power or realistic ambition to attack anyone. He was no more than a small time war-lord in the latter years.

[Bradley]

DigitalDwarf said:

It's not about the gas people; we get most of our gas from other countries. It is about a man who has lied to us about weapons he has, treated his people wrong, etc. I am sorry if any of this offends you, but I am an American D*mmit so let's kick some @$$.

Caleb

This is slightly misleading, and wrong to say.
On the "gas" issue:
The reason you get most of your gas from other countries is because very little trade has ocurred with Iraq at all since the regimes 'hostility' began, and the US is a close ally of Saudi Arabia (where women driving is illegal, and public beheadings for theft are common practise) which has vast amounts of oil to sell to the US. You overlook the fact that CRUDE OIL is scarce and finite and will run out in 20-30yrs. It's not all about oil, but let's not be stupid, there are great financial rewards to be reaped from Iraq (just take a look at WHICH companies have secured the "contract" to develop oil exploitation in Iraq).
On the weapons issue:
See the last post,
Plus, if you're worried about breaches of UN resolution maybe we should ask our great friends the Isrealis about that, or, wait, even the US itself. Don't be hypocritical in supposing that we're clean here in the west.

[Bradley]

piesore said:

While anti-war protests are getting coverage, articulate anti-war voices are not. If you watch the mainstream networks, just about all of the "experts" you hear from are ex-military officials. Without someone being able to come on an explain what this movement is really about makes it seem like all the protesters are simply reactionary, uniformed, anti-bush, anti-american, wanna be hippies. Distilling a group into a few simplistic and often out of context chants is bad media coverage. There are plenty of valid reasons to be against the war, but the cheerleading being done by the mainstream media is doing nothing to convey that.
That sort of coverage does breed frustration because the protests have to scream louder and louder just for a sembelence of their voice, no matter how out of context and skewed, can be heard, which is what I think what we've been seeing.

right on

[CoKeS]

politics are boring

[mr.dude]

It certainly isn't Anti-American to disagree w/ that bogus "war" that was going on, nor is it Anti-American to disagree w/ the President. I never thought we should of been over there in the first place and now that the 9/11 Commission (or whoever) came out and said almost every piece of intelligence on Iraq was false upsets me even more. Over 1000 have died now for no reason...oh wait...does anyone recall when Bush declared "war" and said "Iraqi people, don't burn your oil tanks" or something to that extent...yeah, that says it all right there. I'm not saying I'm for Kerry either, but the Bush Administration has really f'ed up and they need to get out...Nader anyone?

[soniktruth]

Vegas Casino Boots Singer Linda Ronstadt




LAS VEGAS - Singer Linda Ronstadt (news) not only got booed, she got the boot after lauding filmmaker Michael Moore and his new movie "Fahrenheit 9/11" during a performance at the Aladdin hotel-casino


Before singing "Desperado" for an encore Saturday night, the 58-year-old rocker called Moore a "great American patriot" and "someone who is spreading the truth." She also encouraged everybody to see the documentary about President Bush.


Ronstadt's comments drew loud boos and some of the 4,500 people in attendance stormed out of the theater. People also tore down concert posters and tossed cocktails into the air.


"It was a very ugly scene," Aladdin President Bill Timmins told The Associated Press. "She praised him and all of a sudden all bedlam broke loose."


Timmins, who is British and was watching the show, decided Ronstadt had to go — for good. Timmins said he didn't allow Ronstadt back in her luxury suite and she was escorted off the property.


Ronstadt's antics "spoiled a wonderful evening for our guests and we had to do something about it," Timmins said.


Timmins said it was the first time he sent a performer packing.


"As long as I'm here, she's not going to play," Timmins said.


Ronstadt had been booked to play the Aladdin for only one show.


Calls to Ronstadt's manager were not immediately returned.


In an interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal before the show, Ronstadt said "I keep hoping that if I'm annoying enough to them, they won't hire me back."


Looks like she got her wish.




how ironic, the people that live in "sin city" are right wing conservatives...


vote bush out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Castro]

Bradley said:

Disarm? For God's sake, man! Disarm of what? Anyone who thought Iraq had the capability or nerve to actually attack a Western country or its allies was either lying or severely misguided.

i'd go for lying...iraq's got shit-loads of oil

lies = excuse for attack = excuse to take oil =

= $$$$

see where i'm gettin at?

[soniktruth]

Scores Arrested in Anti-Bush Protests in New York


Police arrested more than 125 people on Tuesday as protesters opposed to Bush administration policies marched near the World Trade Center site and blocked streets in the city's financial district on the second day of the Republican political convention.


More than 100 people were put in plastic handcuffs and led to police vans after the War Resisters League began a march from the trade center site -- destroyed in the Sept. 11 attacks -- to a planned "die-in" near Madison Square Garden, where Republicans were holding their convention to nominate President Bush (news - web sites) to a second term in office.


"Why are we being arrested? Why are you people doing this?" some protesters shouted as police stopped the march and led them away. Several demonstrators said they followed police instructions to walk two by two on the sidewalk and were surprised to be detained.


One protester, Jim MacDonald of the DC Anti-War Network, said in an interview by mobile phone that the group did not have a permit to march and police "surrounded us when we started to walk."


"There were many among us who did not want to be arrested," he said.


About 24 people were arrested earlier on Tuesday. Seventeen were detained for illegally blocking traffic on foot or on bicycles in the Wall Street financial district and six were taken into custody for illegally wearing masks at a Harlem subway station, police said.


One man was arrested by about 10 officers after he climbed a tree to obtain a better view of a rally by fellow immigration activists outside U.S. government offices, witnesses said.


Political activists and police had expected a day of confrontations as protesters attempted to take the spotlight away from the four-day convention.


The A31 Action Coalition had vowed to carry out a day of nonviolent civil disobedience to confront corporations and Republican delegates. The group said the day would end with "civil disobedience and resistance" not far from the convention site.


"To spend a few hours or a day in jail is really a small sacrifice ... compared to people who have been subject to Bush administration policies," said War Resisters League activist Elizabeth Broad at an A31 news briefing.


ANTI-WAR AND ANTI-BUSH


Since last Thursday, about 700 people have been arrested in demonstrations across the city to protest the U.S.-led war in Iraq (news - web sites) and other Bush administration policies.


New York's 37,000 strong police department is out in force on foot, horses, bicycles and in the air to monitor protests and to guard the city following government warnings of a terrorist attack during the election season.


The Republican convention continued for a second day on Tuesday under tight security. The convention ends Thursday night after Bush accepts the nomination to face Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) in the Nov. 2 presidential elections.


Most of the demonstrations in the last six days have been peaceful, including an anti-war march on Sunday by several hundred thousand people past Madison Square Garden, one of the biggest rallies seen in New York in decades.

[soniktruth]

Bush warns Syria and Iran over terror

Julian Borger in Washington
Thursday February 3, 2005
The Guardian

President George Bush last night issued clear warnings to Syria and Iran that they were next in his sights in his declared mission to spread democracy around the world.
The state of the union address to Congress had been billed as reconciliatory, but, along with a series of references to alliances and international initiatives, there were some blunt words.

After recounting the fall of the Taliban in Afghanistan and Saddam Hussein in Iraq, the president said: "There are still governments that sponsor and harbour terrorists, but their numbers have declined.

"There are still regimes seeking weapons of mass destruction, but they are no longer without attention and without consequence."

The president then singled out Syria, which he said "still allows its territory and parts of Lebanon to be used by terrorists who seek to destroy every chance of peace in the region."

"We expect Syria to end all support for terrorists and open the door to freedom," he said, to heavy applause from members of Congress.

He turned to Iran, which he said "remains the world's primary sponsor of terror" and he issued a direct message to Iranians to stand up to the clerical regime in Tehran.

He said the US was working with European states to make clear to Tehran it must give up its uranium enrichment programme, but he also signalled a much broader agenda, aimed at the ultimate removal of the clerical regime itself.

He declared "to the Iranian people, I say tonight: As you stand for your own liberty, America stands with you."


He heralded the start of a "new phase" in the Iraq occupation, in the hope of shifting US military efforts from fighting the insurgency to training Iraqi troops.

However, he rejected calls for a timetable for withdrawal.

"While our military strategy is adapting to circumstances," he said. "Our commitment remains firm and unchanging."

In a clear indication Mr Bush has no intention of allowing his radical presidency to lose momentum in its second term, he used the speech to outline an ambitious agenda both at home and abroad.

It included a call to restructure the federal pension scheme to allow for private accounts, a step towards the president's ideal of an "ownership society", and a pledge to create a tax code that was "easy to understand and fair to all".

In a significant nod to his Christian conservative supporters, he vowed support for a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage "for the good of families, children and society".

Mr Bush committed the US to engage diplomatically in the Middle East, claiming that a permanent peace based on independent Palestinian and Israeli states was "within reach" with US help.

"The goal of two democratic states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace is within reach - and America will help them achieve that goal," Mr Bush said.

"It's a rejection of the status quo and a call for something better," said Frank Luntz, a Republican pollster and analyst. "Like him or not, you have to acknowledge there is a Bush doctrine."

The president's speech carried echoes of the "freedom speech" he delivered a fortnight ago, but it went into specifics, laying out a blueprint for the next four years. As in his inaugural address, the president framed the Iraq invasion in terms of a broader mission to spread democracy.

"We will succeed because the Iraqi people value their own liberty - as they showed the world last Sunday," the president told a cheering chamber.

Many Republican members of Congress raised fingers that had been dipped in purple ink, emulating Iraqi voters.

"The new political situation in Iraq opens a new phase of our work in that country," the president said.

"We will increasingly focus our efforts on helping prepare more capable Iraqi security forces - forces with skilled officers and an effective command structure."

The administration hopes such forces will increasingly bear the brunt of fighting, relegating US forces increasingly to training role. However, training is so far lagging far behind expectations.

Administration officials say the White House is determined to repair some of the damage done to relations with Europe by the Iraqi invasion. Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, is due to arrive in Britain tonight. She is also to meet Israeli and Palestinian leaders on Monday.

The president's speech was intended to show his administration would make the most of the opportunity created by January's Palestinian elections to mount a new peace initiative.

"The goal of two democratic states, Israel and Palestine, living side by side in peace is within reach - and America will help them achieve that goal," Mr Bush said.

That commitment would, he said, be backed up by $350m in aid to the Palestinians to support "political, economic, and security reforms" and help rebuild after the planned dismantlement of Jewish settlements in Gaza and the West Bank.


pre$ident{evil empire}bu$h

is trying to start WW3, DONTCHA THINK....IMPEACH...

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[Castro]

classic

[tremulant]

Wow, this thread came outta nowhere. From an outsiders standpoint (Canadaaaaaa) there's something I just cant figure out. If the general consensus is that George Bush is incompetent, and all you ever hear is how he's destroyed foreign relations and whatever, then how did he still get 51% of the votes??? Obviously there's corruption in the voting system, but still, that's a lot of votes for a guy that seriously screwed up you're country. And just to let you know, other countries dont hate the US, we just hate your government...(and people who think canadians live in fuckin igloos.)

[motherprussia]

no no no, you just hear about people on the internet not liking him...you haven't accounted for all of the hicks that live here, all of the jesus loving, bible hugging faggots that span a great portion of this country...they all think bush has done at least an adequate, if not very good job...

i really think it's hard for people who don't live here (especially in the midwest and bible belt) to really comprehend how he could get 51% of the vote...i could go on and on about this, but what we really need is a little piesore...

oh, and this: www.sickanimation.com/howmany.html

plus, i don't think i can conclude that he has fucked up our country...he hasn't really done all that much...it's more of the government as a whole...but the personally, i just love the government mainly because they are paying me to go to school...now how cool is that?

[tremulant]

Really? You're getting paid to go to school?...Explain.

[motherprussia]

basially, a lot of scholarships...yeah, i had to get good grades and have to keep up good grades for some of those scholarships, but some of that comes from my parents not having a lot of money...