|
|
Post by soniktruth on Dec 6, 2002 21:16:27 GMT -5
what are your thoughts on this? is it unfair? is it a one's right?
who's pro and who's con????
|
|
piesore
Full Member
i see you.
Posts: 224
|
Post by piesore on Dec 7, 2002 21:03:43 GMT -5
Shoot, I wish I could find the actual article, but I guess my paraphrasing will have to do. On www.boycott-RIAA.com, there was an article a while back called the "Internet Debacle", which basically outlined the case for file-sharing. This guy was an independent artist and said that except for a few multi-multi platinum artists, file-sharing only helps artists in terms of exposing their music. The internet is a medium not controlled by the RIAA and therefore it's a level playing field. He said that when he put up free mp3s of his songs on his website, sales went up threefold for his album. He then went onto say that any problem with file-sharing has to do more with inherent flaws in the industry. People have an aversion to buying music more so than they used to not because they can simply download it for free, but because it sucks. Of course the music industry is an industry, it's goal is to make money, but this saps the creativity and diversity out of bands that are pushed by the major labels, following a formula instead of their own inspiration. And he said that money is an issue with artists not because of file-sharing, but because of the RIAA and major labels. Bands get a sliver of the money made from their records and the contracts that they are put under are at best indentured servitude. The millionaire rock star is much more of a myth that is pushed by RIAA than an actual reality, success goes to the executives and not the artists. There was also some article posted by the guy who produced Nirvana's In Utero album, and he breaks down how much a band actually makes. You here huge figures being thrown around, but in reality, these are loans that the band has to pay back which even if they do very well, they are often thrown into debt. Unfortunantly, I don't remember the name of that article, but maybe one of you have heard of it because it was pretty popular for a while. To me, people are inherently good, they don't want to screw over artists. If they really enjoy an album they download, more often than not, they will go out and buy it. For me, it can only help. I will not have my heart set on buying an album, then download it and then decide not to buy it. All downloading it does is give the artist a chance of me actually liking the record and deciding to purchase it. |
|
|
|
Post by MercurySolo on Dec 7, 2002 21:48:20 GMT -5
I only download to decide whether or not to buy an album... or if it's stuff from a rare EP I'll never be able to buy, like vinyl-only stuff, stuff like that. QOTSA's "Gonna Leave You" in spanish... "Ya me voy, te voy a dejar..."
|
|
|
|
Post by soniktruth on Dec 7, 2002 23:46:12 GMT -5
yup. there's 2 sides to the story. underground music thrives on being heard thru the net thru mp3's. millions of bands out there with their mp3's to spare. notice the mainstream groups never have mp3's? because they know they have eMptyTV to televise their s.h.i.t.
i admit. i've downloaded albums at a time. for the fact it was an old album. more time than money i guess. but, nevertheless i buy my share of CD'S. just some seem more downloadable than purchaseable.
|
|
|
|
Post by headINcortex on Dec 8, 2002 0:41:03 GMT -5
i only download cool indie stuff that i can't buy or hear anywhere around here. thats why i rely on this page for references to cool songs and bands. haven't been let down yet.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kurtz on Dec 8, 2002 9:43:57 GMT -5
I download 3 songs if i like the CD i go and purchase it..
i don't bet my money on CDs ..here they cost about 20$ to 25$..
since p2p networks became popular bands have made more money..meaning that file sharing advertises bands ..
for example.. i heard u guys talking about Fugazi on the board so i decided to check them out..so i downloaded 4 songs and liked them very much..so now i'm waiting for 2 cd's of theirs which i ordered from Amazon..
|
|
|
|
Post by Kingofcretins on Dec 8, 2002 12:23:15 GMT -5
Yeah I think the net is a great way to find out about bands that you otherwise wouldn't know about through web sites. Often i've got into bands just through mp3's off the net. And now I'm abig fan, buying their records, going to their shows and stuff.
The most donwloadedalbum of all time is probably the new eminem album but I think that's provbably this years biggest seller...
David W
|
|
|
|
Post by MercurySolo on Dec 8, 2002 14:29:32 GMT -5
I remember hearing an argument against Lars Ulrich during the Napster debacle... they said "You know, Lars is against MP3's, but I remember that the first time most of my generation (coming of age in the 80's) first heard Metallica was on a little black tape with Metallica scrawled on it." that's all MP3's are to me, the second coming of the little black tape
speaking of which, Paranoid, it's really on its way now... I actually have time now that school is winding down... just need to lay down one more track and that's it, envelope's ready. sorry it took so long...
|
|
|
|
Post by soniktruth on Dec 8, 2002 19:41:21 GMT -5
ALLRIGHT. YOU REMEMBERED!
thats cool. i figured you were busy and all. but that's real cool that you kept your word. very honorable of ya. gracias otra vez.
|
|
|
|
Post by MercurySolo on Dec 9, 2002 13:43:20 GMT -5
de nada... finals start tomorrow, but I'm not worried about most of them... I'm sending it out Thursday at the latest. rawk
|
|
|
|
Post by soniktruth on Dec 9, 2002 17:02:54 GMT -5
|
|
|
|
Post by MercurySolo on Dec 10, 2002 0:14:17 GMT -5
I'm definitely going to put that banner on my site... my eyes have been opened, the world must know!!!!!!!!1 LEAVE GARY COLEMAN ALONE, MUTHAFUKEHS!!!!
Really, I'm putting that banner on my website, heh... that's gonna rawk
|
|
|
|
Post by CoKeS on Dec 13, 2002 11:21:39 GMT -5
99.9% of the CDs I own are burned CDs. I would buy the real CD but there is so many reasons not to...1) CDs cost $20, 2) If you burn a CD, you can sometimes get it before it is released, and 3) The bands I like aren't signed to a major record label.
I would buy the real CD if they were about $15 cheaper, but that will probably never happen.
|
|
|
|
Post by soniktruth on Dec 17, 2002 2:26:00 GMT -5
burn baby burn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
|
|
|
|
Post by Kurtz on Dec 17, 2002 9:24:13 GMT -5
i don't even bother to mess with Cd's i got an Ipod(which is the ultimate shiznitt)..
all i do is rip cd's/download shit to my computer.and then i transfer it to the Ipod...
|
|
|
|
Post by soniktruth on Dec 17, 2002 16:20:25 GMT -5
i almost bought one of those.
how much memory does yours have?#nosmileys
|
|
|
|
Post by Kurtz on Dec 20, 2002 13:31:02 GMT -5
10 GB..it's worth it it's worth it it's worth it !!!.. i bought th macintosh compitable one cause i bought it before they created th windows compitable one so i had to purchase a Firewire and download Xplay..but it was worth long lifespan ..fast..good quality..loud..small and very stylish..  |
|
|
|
Post by soniktruth on Dec 21, 2002 1:43:45 GMT -5
affordable?
|
|
|
|
Post by Kurtz on Dec 21, 2002 8:39:55 GMT -5
399$ or less..
|
|
|
|
Post by nonzeropossibility on Dec 22, 2002 2:51:15 GMT -5
On the topic of how much money musicians make, I think it's something like this:
If the artists haven't actually written their songs (= pop 'artists' hahaha!) they have to pay back the costs of production and marketing for their album before they can get a cut of the album sales. This generally means that while the record companies are making loads of money, the artists themselves do not get much. Often they are forced by their contracts to make expensive video clips and lots of marketing, to give the impression that they are 'successful', while in actuality they are being forced to waste all their future profits. This is probably why there is an abundance of britney spears clones out there- the record companies make tons of money for practically nothing. And this is also why all the clones say in interviews that they aspire to write their own songs in future. But often they are bound by contract not to have any input into the songwriting process.
However, if they HAVE written the songs, they get songwriting royalties that they do not have to use to pay back the record company.
I got all that info from "John Safrans Music Jamboree"'s 'Music Mole'. If you are ever in Australia , buy the DVD of the series, it is quite excellent and funny.
On the topic of file sharing; I have been known to pirate the odd cd here and there. But, I haven't been ripping off the musicians, because if i like it, i am way more likely to buy other products by the same musicians. Case of point: Pirated muse's origin of symmetry, bought the Hullaballoo DVD. Pirated NIN's Fragile and Downward spiral, bought Fixed, Further down the spiral, All could ave been DVD, falling apart. Pirated every Smashing pumpkins cd apart from Gish, and my Girl bought me the DVD of their videos (which is very excellent i must say). And i intend to buy Mellon collie.
Most musicians have profited from my pirating. If I hadn't, there is a good chance i would not have bought the pirated disk anyway, and i wouldn't have bought any of their other stuff. Not to mention the influence my pirating has had in influencing others to buy cds by the artists. It is only the one hit wonders who suffer from file sharing - their target market is not die-hard music lovers.
|
|
|
|
Post by Kurtz on Dec 22, 2002 8:43:32 GMT -5
can anyone give me a link with info about the problem?..
i have a school aciment where i have to give a speech to persuade my fellow students to beleive that filesharing isn't evil..and bands like mettalica who claim that file sharing damges their profit are ignorant bastards because all statistics show that they raise their profit..
|
|
|
|
Post by soniktruth on Feb 22, 2005 4:28:06 GMT -5
neo-comments
|
|
|
|
Post by Evycakes on Feb 22, 2005 5:21:06 GMT -5
i download music from mainstream artists.. and buy indie albums ... or if i find that this band that i downloaded is really good .. then i buy their cd anyway
|
|
|
|
Post by Castro on Feb 22, 2005 11:09:31 GMT -5
yeah downloading is like a trial for me; i see if an albums worth buying and buy it if it is.
i find a CD with artwork and sleeve notes more pleasing than a simple copied CD
|
|
|
|
Post by tremulant on Feb 22, 2005 16:53:40 GMT -5
I'm not gonna write you guys a book here. It's very simple. I download a few songs, if I like it, I buy the album. Metallica can shut the fuck up already, they're millionaires!!!
|
|
