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Post by nastia on Aug 26, 2004 10:06:17 GMT -5
have you guys heard about that tragedy, thet we have here, in russia? two planes have fallen... TU-134 & TU-154. 90 people had died in this airaccident... it all so bad, so terrible... i don't have any other words...
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Post by Bishop on Aug 26, 2004 19:28:27 GMT -5
Yes, a very sad event.
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Post by soniktruth on Aug 26, 2004 20:04:16 GMT -5
did they hit eachother?
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Post by motherprussia on Aug 26, 2004 20:59:58 GMT -5
yeah, unfortunately i've heard nothing of this
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Post by nastia on Aug 27, 2004 2:30:48 GMT -5
no. they fall in different places, but have fly off from one airport.
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Post by CoKeS on Aug 27, 2004 23:00:45 GMT -5
i didnt hear about this either... do they think terrorism may be involved?
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Post by soniktruth on Aug 27, 2004 23:28:44 GMT -5
Plane crash a terror attack:
AT least one of the two Russian plane crashes that killed some 90 people this week was the result of a terrorist attack, the top Russian security service spokesman said.
Wreckage ... a rescuer on the twisted remains of the of the Tupolev 154 that went down en route to Sochi "According to our initial investigation, at least one of the air crashes, the one in the Rostov region, came as a result of a terror attack," spokesman Sergei Ignatchenko told ITAR-TASS news agency.
Investigators said they had found traces of explosive material in the wreckage of one of the two planes that crashed in southern Russia, Russian news agencies reported.
"During the investigation of the wreckage of the Tupolev 154, we found traces of explosive material," a spokesman for the FSB intelligence agency was quoted by ITAR-TASS and Interfax news agencies as saying.
The spokesman, Sergei Ignachenko, identified the material as Hexogen, the same material that Russian authorities claimed was used in a series of apartment bombings in 1999 that killed some 200 people.
The plane in question was carrying 46 passengers and crew on a flight from Moscow to the Black Sea resort of Sochi.
It went down in the southern Russian region of Rostov, while another passenger plane carrying 43 people that had departed from the same Moscow airport crashed at almost precisely the same moment hundreds of kilometres further north.
The twin crashes raised immediate suspicisions of terrorism, possibly connected to controversial elections due this weekend in the war-torn Russian republic of Chechnya.
ITAR-TASS and Interfax both repeated news that one of the passengers aboard the flight to Sochi was a woman from Chechnya whose remains have yet to be claimed by friends or relatives.
Ignachenko said investigators had so far found no evidence of explosives on the other plane which crashed outside the central city of Tula while on a flight to the southern city of Volgograd.
Earlier, a website known for militant Muslim comment published a claim of responsibility for the crashes of two Russian airliners, connecting the action to Russia's fight against separatists in Chechnya.
The statement was signed "the Islambouli Brigades." A group with a similar name has claimed responsibility for at least one other attack, but the authenticity of the statement could not immediately be confirmed.
A spokesman for the Federal Security Service said he could not immediately comment on the Web site's statement.
Russian officials have repeatedly contended that the rebels who have been fighting Russian forces in Chechnya for nearly five years receive help from foreign terrorist organizations, including al-Qaeda.
The claim did not refer to al-Qaeda, but a group called "the Islambouli Brigades of al-Qaeda" claimed responsibility for last month's attempt to assassinate Pakistan's prime minister-designate.
The statement did not give details on how the alleged attacks on the Russian planes occurred. The planes went down within minutes of each other after both had taken off from Moscow's Domodedovo airport.
"Our mujahedeen, with God's grace, succeeded in directing the first blow which will be followed by a series of other operations in a wave to extend support and victory to our Muslim brothers in Chechnya and other Muslim areas which suffer from Russian faithlessness," the statement said.
It was not clear whether the statement claimed that Chechens themselves staged attacks on the planes.
Chechen rebels and their supporters are blamed for a series of suicide bombings and other attacks in Chechnya and the rest of Russia over the past several years, including last year's suicide bombings of an outdoor rock concert in Moscow and another outside a hotel near Red Square.
Earlier, the Russian press lashed out at President Vladimir Putin's government for failing to "call a spade a spade" and admit that this week's simultaneous crashes of two passenger jets were the work of terrorists.
Authorities say they are still pursuing all leads in their investigation of mysterious twin plane crashes that killed 89 people, but the media have attributed the tragedies to terrorism.
The Russian press issued unusual and harsh criticism of the Government, lashing out at authorities for refusing to admit that the planes were in all likelihood brought down by terrorism or sabotage.
"Ahead of presidential elections in Chechnya, authorities do not want to admit the obvious fact: only Chechen rebels can organize attacks of this scale in Russia," the business daily Kommersant commented on its front pages.
The centrist paper Izvestia took a similar tone, accusing officials of "failing to see the links" between the plane crash and controversial elections scheduled to take place in war-torn Chechnya on Sunday.
"An inexplicable tragic coincidence - that is how the official special services tried to explain the events," Izvestia said.
The hard-hitting commentary from Russia's major printed dailies was an unusual show of contempt for the Government and stood in stark contrast to reporting by state-run broadcast media which stuck strictly to official accounts of the crashes.
The two planes, a Tupolev 134 carrying 43 people and a Tupolev 154 carrying 46, went down within minutes of each other on Wednesday soon after taking off from a Moscow airport bound for separate cities in southern Russia.
Mr Putin abruptly cut short a vacation at the Black Sea resort of Sochi and rushed back to Moscow where he met with top members of an emergency state investigative committee and demanded "honest" results from their probe.
Transport Minister Igor Levitin gave assurances yesterday that the bereaved would receive compensation, but offered no indication that investigators were narrowing possible causes.
"No version is today being ruled out," said Mr Levitin, the head of a special government panel set up to investigate the crashes.
He said investigators were also looking into why no one came to collect the body of a woman he identified as Dzhabrailova - a Chechen name.
His comments were in line with those from other top officials who have maintained since the investigation began that terrorism was among the theories being studied. Others included bad weather, contaminated fuel, pilot error and other factors.
Teams from the investigative panel travelled to both crash sites yesterday where they were joined by families and friends of the victims who travelled to the sites for body identification.
News agencies said the bodies of all but one of the total 89 victims had been recovered.
Oleg Yermolov, an official with the state aviation committee, said the flight data recorders recovered from both planes were badly damaged and it was uncertain how useful they would prove in the probe.
Other reports confirmed the "black boxes" were in bad shape but quoted officials saying they would yield useful data.
Russian Finance Minister Alexei Kudrin meanwhile echoed Mr Putin, vowing that the Government would do everything possible to care for those bereaved by the crash.
Mr Kudrin also vowed to re-examine and if necessary upgrade Russia's overall aviation infrastructure.
Russia meanwhile observed a national day of mourning for the 89 dead, as relatives and friends of the victims gathered at the crash sites to help identify the remains.
FUCK'N TERRORISTS
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Post by nastia on Aug 28, 2004 9:58:10 GMT -5
I know, it's not fit the theme, but it was pretty funny yesterday when i was walking home... three guys came to me and said: "hello, bitch!" i told them nothing and then one of them pushed me and i had fallen on the ground. next, one of them has taken me for a hair and lifted me. another one has a knife and he put it near my neck and said: just give us all your money and we will leave you alive. i have given them all that i had and they began to beat me... huh, i'm very pretty now: my face is all in dark-blue colors, also my nose and left hand are broken... shit, i can't play drums! i still alive but i feel very terrible. only one question i have: why they did that? only because i'm a girl? anyway i don't want it to happen with someone else.
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Post by CoKeS on Aug 28, 2004 14:54:07 GMT -5
...shit...
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Post by soniktruth on Aug 29, 2004 15:29:03 GMT -5
when i was walking home... three guys came to me and said: "hello, bitch!" i told them nothing and then one of them pushed me and i had fallen on the ground. next, one of them has taken me for a hair and lifted me. another one has a knife and he put it near my neck and said: just give us all your money and we will leave you alive. i have given them all that i had and they began to beat me... huh, i'm very pretty now: my face is all in dark-blue colors, also my nose and left hand are broken... shit, i can't play drums! i still alive but i feel very terrible. only one question i have: why they did that? only because i'm a girl? anyway i don't want it to happen with someone else. fucking cowards......are you ok? nastia?
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Post by nastia on Aug 30, 2004 14:40:44 GMT -5
actually... no
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Post by soniktruth on Sept 3, 2004 20:09:09 GMT -5
Russia Standoff Ends in Bloodshed for 200
BESLAN, Russia - The three-day hostage siege at a school in southern Russia ended in chaos and bloodshed Friday, after witnesses said Chechen militants set off bombs and Russian commandos stormed the building. Hostages fled in terror, many of them children who were half-naked and covered in blood. Officials estimated the death toll at more than 200.
Early Saturday, 531 people remained hospitalized, including 283 children — 92 of the youngsters in "very grave" condition, health officials said.
Sixty-two hours after the hostage drama began during a celebration marking the first day of the school year, the Russian government said resistance had ended.
Valery Andreyev, Russia's Federal Security Service chief in the region, said 10 Arabs were among 27 militants who were killed. The ITAR-Tass news agency, citing unidentified security sources, reported the hostage-taking was the work of Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev, who had al-Qaida backing.
Alla Gadieyeva, 24, who was taken captive with her 7-year-old son and mother, said the militants displayed terrifying brutality from the start. One gunman, whose pockets were stuffed with grenades, held up the corpse of a man just shot in front of hundreds of hostages and warned: "If a child utters even a sound, we'll kill another one."
When children fainted from lack of sleep, food and water, their masked and camouflaged captors simply sneered, she said, adding that adults implored children to drink their own urine in the intolerable heat of the gym.
She and other hostages said there was a little water but no food the first day. The hostages got nothing to eat or drink after that.
Gadieyeva told of three days of unspeakable horror — of children so frightened they couldn't sleep, of captors coolly threatening to kill off hostages one by one. The gym where they were held was so cramped there was hardly room to move.
"We were in complete fear," said Gadieyeva, who spoke to an Associated Press reporter as she lay collapsed with exhaustion on a stretcher outside a hospital. "People were praying all the time, and those that didn't know how to pray — we taught them."
The Interfax news agency quoted unidentified sources in the regional Health Ministry as saying more than 200 people were killed. The figure could not be confirmed. Reporters said they had seen at least 100 bodies in the school gym.
Under a grove of trees outside the school, white sheets covered dead bodies, including those of children, on lines of stretchers. Grieving parents and loved ones knelt beside the dead, some of whom were awaiting identification. Nearby, anxious crowds gathered around lists of injured posted on the walls of the hospital buildings.
It was not clear where the tragic end to the siege would leave President Vladimir Putin (news - web sites)'s tough policy on Chechnya (news - web sites), which has enjoyed broad domestic support despite the heavy toll rebel violence has taken in recent years. He has said the Russian fight in the Caucasus was part of the world's larger war on terrorism.
On the campaign trail in Wisconsin, President Bush (news - web sites) said the hostage siege was "another grim reminder" of the lengths to which terrorists will go. World governments joined Washington in condemning the militants.
"It is hard to express my revulsion at the inhumanity of terrorists prepared to put children and their families through such suffering," British Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites) said.
The State Department issued a public announcement warning U.S. citizens living or traveling in Russia against going to Chechnya and the neighboring regions because of a heightened risk of terrorist attacks.
"American citizens in Russia should exercise caution and remain vigilant and aware of these heightened risks when planning use of or using any form of public transportation. American citizens should also avoid large public gatherings that lack enhanced security measures," the announcement said.
The Arab presence among the attackers would support Putin's contention that al-Qaida terrorists were deeply involved in the Chechen conflict, where Muslim fighters have been battling Russian forces in a brutal war of independence on and off for more than a decade. ITAR-Tass said Basayev received funding for the attack from allege al-Qaida operative, Abu Omar as-Saif.
Russian authorities said they stormed the building after the militants set off explosions and fired shots as emergency teams approached to collect the bodies of several men killed earlier. They said the hostage-takers had given them permission to take the corpses away. Witnesses quoted by Russian media said the militants opened fire on fleeing hostages and then began to escape themselves.
A police explosives expert told NTV television that the commandos stormed the building after bombs wired to basketball hoops exploded in the gymnasium, where many of the children were being held. A captive who escaped told NTV that a suicide bomber blew herself up in the gym.
Channel One TV reported three of the attackers were arrested after trying to escape in civilian dress. Four militants were believed to have escaped. A member of an elite security unit died saving two young girls, ITAR-Tass reported.
The standoff was declared at an end hours after commandos began their midday assault, when a final large explosion issued from the school, apparently ending a gunfight between three militants trapped in the school basement and security forces trying to free children being used as human shields. Sporadic shooting continued hours later.
A hostage who escaped told the AP that the militants numbered 28, including women wearing camouflage uniforms. The hostage, who identified himself only as Teimuraz, said the militants began wiring the school with explosives as soon as they took control. He, too, said they had placed bombs on both basketball hoops in the gym.
The bomb expert said the gym had been rigged with explosives packed in plastic bottles strung up around the room on a cord and stuffed with metal objects.
The militants, some with explosives strapped to their bodies, stormed the school in Beslan on Wednesday morning and kept the hundreds of children along with parents in the sweltering gymnasium, refusing to allow deliveries of food and water.
"They didn't let me go to the toilet for three days, not once. They never let me drink or go to the toilet," Teimuraz said.
Leonid Roshal, a pediatrician involved in negotiations with the militants before they were stormed, called them "very cruel people ... a ruthless enemy."
"I talked with them many times on my cell phone, but every time I ask to give food, water and medicine to the hostages they refuse my request," Roshal said.
Putin's adviser on Chechnya, Aslanbek Aslakhanov, said security forces had not planned to storm the building, but were prompted to move by the first explosions about 1 p.m. Friday. Officials had pledged not to use force.
Russian forces had held back, perhaps remembering the deadly outcome two years ago when security troops pumped nerve gas into a Moscow theater before storming in to free about 800 hostages being held by Chechen terrorists. The nerve gas debilitated the captors but also was the cause of most of the 129 hostage deaths.
As the captives escaped the school, residents and troops ran through the streets, and the wounded were carried off on stretchers. An AP reporter saw ambulances speeding by, the windows streaked with blood. Four armed men in civilian clothes ran by, shouting, "A militant ran this way."
Streets around the school were a dizzying tableau of chaos as soldiers and men in civilian clothes carried children — some naked, some clad only in underpants, some covered in blood, some bandaged. Women, newly freed from the school, fainted.
The children drank eagerly from bottles of water given to them once they reached safety. Many of the children had removed their clothing because of the stifling heat in the gymnasium.
"I am helping you," a man dressed in camouflage told a crying girl. Women gathered around, trying to soothe her, saying "It's all right. It's all right."
KILLING FOR RELIGION, SOMETHING I DON'T UNDERSTAND
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Post by nastia on Sept 4, 2004 13:21:39 GMT -5
we have 5 acts of terrorism here for last week. two planes, one bus station explosion, one car explosion near metro station and that school in Beslan... so much 200 people died... fuck, i want to be a donor
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